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20 Questions – John Shafer of GreenMaltese.com

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This is the “20 Questions” interview with John Shafer who runs the blog GreenMaltese.com. Shafer is an 18 year veteran of  the fire service, and is currently a Lieutenant and the Training Officer for the Greencastle Fire Department.  An Indiana regionally recognized instructor on building construction, fireground search and command management, he has traveled throughout the State of Indiana delivering specialized training programs on building construction, fireground search and firefighter safety. Read his entire bio here, or continue reading below for a lot on John.

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1. How long have you been in the Fire Service?

Since April of 1994 18 years

2. What departments have you been involved in?

My first fire service career started off with the Cloverdale Twp. Vol. Fire Department Indiana (web site/Facebook). I was a volunteer firefighter there until 2000. For a short period I was also full-time in 1998 at the Honey Creek Fire Department in Terre Haute Indiana (web site/Facebook). In 2000 I was hired full-time at Greencastle Fire Department in Greencastle, Indiana where I am still currently employed (web site)

3. What rank do you hold and what is that position in your fire department?

Currently I am the departments training officer and the B shift lieutenant.

4. What is your greatest accomplishment related to firefighting?

As a firefighter there is nothing you can do that is any greater than passing on knowledge and experience you have gained to a new firefighter. I have been very blessed when it comes to sharing what I have learned to new firefighters. I am very fortunate and proud that I was a part of bringing statewide funded firefighter training to Indiana. This has allowed me opportunity of being a major part of new firefighter’s education in Indiana. I am also the District 7 Regional Fire Training Coordinator (Facebook page).

5. If you could spend a weekend learning from one firefighter (any rank, alive or dead) who would it be and why?

Wow this one is a hard question since I try to surround myself with firefighters smarter than me so I can learn from all them. However since the question says only one I would have to say it probably be Chief Christopher Naum since we share a lot of the same passions for building construction and fire behavior.

6. You run a blog GreenMaltese.com. What is it all about?

The reason I started Green Maltese was because I was studying modern building construction and realized that so much had changed all in the name of going green and there was no place for firefighters like me to go find information on these changes. So I started off just posting construction articles that I was reading on my facebook and it just grew from there. The mission I have for Green Maltese is that it will be a place where fire service leaders can gain and share knowledge concerning Green Building Construction.

7. Your focus at Green Maltese is building construction. Why is building construction important for firefighters?

Building Construction has always been very important in the fire service simply because we need to know to about something we going to get intimate with by going inside buildings to fight fires. Buildings today have changed so much since they are engineered to be lightweight and cheap as possible to be more affordable to the masses. These changes as well as making them more energy efficient have totally changed the world we operate in and most firefighters are not aware and still apply the strategies and tactics that they have always used.  Building Construction knowledge is going to be more important than ever before with the massive fuel loads and sustainable products being used to construct modern buildings which are the buildings and fire environment we are faced with today.

8. Name the loftiest goal in your firefighting career.

My lifelong teaching dream was to teach at the Super Bowl of Firefighting FDIC and I was just recently lucky enough to have been able to teach there this year. I would also love to write a book someday on green building construction.

9. What firefighting topics do you teach? 

Well as you may have figured out already because of my website I teach building construction and since I am also the regional state training coordinator I teach air management, fire behavior, tactics and I also love to teach search. Speaking of teaching search. I am going to make a shameless plug: I will be teaching a very advanced hands on aggressive search class at our new state fire school Wabash Valley HOT. Here is our facebook page please like us to learn more about this upcoming school. Also check out my free search downloadable drills: http://greenmaltese.com/2012/05/fireground-search-drills/. Green Maltese will also deliver courses to your department. Here is the link to some of the classes we can bring to you. http://greenmaltese.com/courses/

10. What is the biggest issue facing fire departments today?

Lack of staffing

11. If you had 3 bullet points to teach recruit firefighters on their first day of recruit school what would they be?

  1. This is not a job and if you don’t plan on making it your lifestyle then leave now!!
  2. Respect and look up the seasoned firefighters who train everyday and run a million miles away from the seasoned ones that think they already know and are at a place in their career where they don’t need to train every day.
  3. Every single day of your life until you retire try and learn something about fire behavior and building construction.

12. If I asked your crew to give me one word to describe John Shafer what would they say?

Training Geek LOL

13. You just attended FDIC. What was the single best experience you had while there? 

It’s the week I live for the whole the year for the last 9 years! So everything about it is a wonderful experience and it was really special this year since I was able to teach.

14. What do you do to stay fit?  

Well I used to run races but had foot surgery the end of last year and still not able to run so I recently started cycling and doing stairs at the firehouse since I want to do a stair climb this year.

15. What is the last firefighting book you read? 

The Combat Position: Achieving Fire Readiness by Christopher Brennan

16. Do you wear a leather helmet? Why or why not? 

No they are not department provided

17. What’s in your pockets?

My right pants pocket has a small rope I can use to extent a search and a wire cutter. Left pants pocket has a self bailout rope kit and a wire cutter. Right coat pocket has extrication gloves. Left coat pocket has a multi took with a spanner wrench on it.

18. What does the word Brotherhood mean to you? 

Brian Brush’s post “Brotherhood Insurance: A Pay for What You Get Policy” is what brotherhood is all about to me. He said it so much better than I could ever attempt.

19. Name some men or women who you look up to and why.  

Well this might take awhile and I am sure I will leave someone out and in a day or two I will remember L however there are many people I look up to for a variety of reasons. I will try and categories them by the reason I admire them.

  • Building Construction: Christopher Naum, Chief of Training Chicago Fire Peter Van Dorpe, Gregory Havel, Lieutenant Don Kaderabek
  • Fire Behavior: Steve Kerber UL, Dan Madrzykowski NIST, Chief Ed Hartin CFBT-US
  • Engine Company Operations: BC Curt Isakson County Fire Tactics, Brian Arnold Oklahoma City FD. And Tony Piontek Green Bay FD.
  • Truck Company Operations: Ron Smith Gary FD, Captain Ray McCormack FDNY, Jayme Washel Bloomington FD.
  • Ventilation: Brian Brush Fire Service Warrior, Ric Jorge Palm Beach County Fire Rescue, Chief P.J Norwood
  • Strategy & Tactics: Jim Silvernail Suburban Fire Tactics, Chief John Norman FDNY
  • Searching: Dave LeBlanc Backstepfirefighter.com, Lt Frank Ricci New Haven FD
  • Training Officers: BC Brian Kazmierzak Penn Twp. FD, Chief Forest Reeder Des Plaines FD, DC Chad Abel Fishers FD, Chris Walker Ft. Wayne FD
  • Leadership: Chief Bobby Halton Fire Engineering, Chief John Buckman German Twp. FD, Chief Eddie Buchanan Hanover FD, Mark Vonappen Palo Alto FD
  • Fitness and Mindset: Chris Huston Engineco22.net, Christopher Brennan Fire Service Warrior, DC Ed Hadfield Coronado FD
  • Extrication: Paul Hasenmeier Firstduetackle.com
  • Fire Service blogger: Jason Hoevelmann Florissant Valley Fire Protection
  • Last but not least my mentor Dr. Alfred Page III a 78 year old member on our department who has been in the fire service for 60 years!!!

Sorry this list was very long however if anyone follows my facebook they would see all of the fire service articles I post and know I read often and am always trying to learn.  Just about everyone mentioned are people I really look up to and admire there writings and fire service knowledge and some of them I can call my friends!

 20. Add anything else you might want to add that I didn’t cover.

Answer:  Some may already know but I am very excited that Green Maltese has teamed up with my buddy Chris Huston at EngineCo22.net to develop free online training modules. I hope that everyone reading this will go check them out and take them back to their departments to train on and they are FREE J LOL

Links: http://greenmaltese.com/2012/05/fireground-considerations/

http://greenmaltese.com/2012/04/free-basement-fire-training-engine-co-22/

I am also excited and proud to be a small part of the upcoming book Suburban Fire Tactics so stay tune for the release of that book and check out the authors Jim Silvernail blog. http://www.suburbanfiretactics.com/

If you want to catch up or take one of Green Maltese classes our next big conference will be Firehouse Expo. I will be teaching Green Building Construction for the Fire Service July 20th 2012 at 12:00 to 1:30 pm. Hope to see you all there!

Firehouse Expo link: http://firehouseexpo.com/conference.php

I would like to thank Rhett Fleitz. The Fire Critic for asking me these questions.

You are quite welcome John. Thanks for taking the time!

20 Questions with Shane Parkins of the National Firefighters Endowment

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Shane Parkins is the President of the National Firefighters Endowment. He is a good friend of the Fire Critic although we have never met in person. Shane’s work with the NFE has been inspirational.

Shane resides in Sacremento, California with his wife and two children. They are expecting their third child in August.

Here are his answers to my “20 Questions” interview. You might notice that there aren’t exactly 20 questions below because he answered some of them in other questions. I will roll with it. Who’s counting anyways?

Be sure to check out the NFE on Facebook and Twitter too!

What is your connection to the Fire Service?

A woman asked me recently, “What made you want to be a firefighter?” Without over thinking it I shot back and said, “The same thing that makes little boys want to be superheroes.”

My grandfather rode the 4 Engine with San Francisco Fire Dept. Two of my uncles also served as Chiefs in a nearby beach community and Silicon Valley. Like many in the fire service, I studied Fire Science in college and served as a Reserve Firefighter/EMT with my local department, Sacramento Fire.

While my legacy and history with the fire service has given me experience and insight, I would say what truly connects me can be found in the heart of that little boy and his cape.

After a neck surgery and the discovery of cardiac abnormality, you won’t find me pulling much hose anymore. But I can still do something brave. I can still do something that matters.

What is the National Firefighters Endowment?

National Firefighters Endowment is a 501c3 non-profit whose mission is to support fire departments that may lack the resources to effectively do the job. More specifically, our focus is on ensuring firefighters have the tools to respond in times of crisis, and do so safely.

There is a significant disparity between our nation’s fire departments and the resources they have on hand. What is constant however, from station to station, state to state, is that a firefighter can always be counted on to respond in times of trouble regardless of the resources they have to help.

A firefighter was telling me recently that her department does not perform interior fire attack and they are severely restricted on rescue operations. The reason is because they do not have enough SCBAs.

While others may run away from fire, a firefighter is a unique breed.  They instinctively are drawn into the flame. For them, there is no greater prize in that moment than the life of a stranger whose last hope lies with them. I can think of few things so cruel than to restrict a firefighter from doing so in that moment; to ask them to turn away from victim, simply because we failed to provide the proper tools.

NFE exists for that reason. To respond when our brothers and sisters call for help, before the tones drop. To put the tools in their hand and the gloves on their hands.

Who benefits from the National Firefighters Endowment?

Fire departments of every city, town, fire district and authority within the United States, are eligible to apply for funds.

How can departments receive funding/grants from the NFE?

We are currently accepting video applications from departments to win one of several grants throughout the coming year. The process is not much different from applying for Extreme Makeover-Home Edition. Grab a camera phone and follow the outline that we provide on our website. We want to hear your story and be inspired by what you do. Videos will be voted on by the public, so it also is a great opportunity for departments to connect with their community and raise local support as well. More information can be found here.

How can individual firefighters help with the NFE?                       

The best way for individual firefighters to help is by becoming a member of our Officers Club.

Explain The Officers Club.

The Officers Club is an exclusive cadre of brothers and sisters who have pledged to participate in the mission of NFE. It is limited to 343 members in each of three levels. Their monthly contributions are responsible for every piece of equipment that NFE is able to place in-service.

By the way, thank you Rhett (if that’s your real name) for joining The Officers Club as a Chief. Your limited edition (005/343) gold challenge coin is on its way. Keep it handy or you may end up buying drinks.

How can departments help out other departments through the NFE?

I asked Willie Wines Jr. once how much money it would take for him to shave his trademark mustache. I was joking.  He got quiet for a moment, and then said with a solemn conviction, “I’d lay it down if it could help a brother.” He meant it. That was the birth of Brotherhood Cuts.

Brotherhood Cuts is a way for departments to “lay it down for their brother” by hosting a mustache and head shaving event. The money raised goes to support a specific department or need. In fact, just recently firefighters in Surrey County, North Carolina made the shave to buy bailout kits for several neighboring fire departments. It was an inspiring display of brotherhood and sacrifice to protect the lives of brothers and sisters they have never met.

Another way is to host a bucket brigade or fill the boot style fundraiser. Whether it is to benefit the mission as a whole or to sponsor a specific department, we are happy to match it to the preference of the dept.

Who are some of the companies who have already helped out or partnered with the NFE?

We have worked closely with MN8-Foxfire to help get their illuminating technology out to over 40 departments in the last 6 months. Many of those grants resulted in departments coming back to MN8 to order enough to equip all of their firefighters.

We have also worked closely with Phenix Fire Helmets. In fact, their leather helmet has become our favorite thank you gift to our fundraisers who have helped raise $1,000 or more through their bucket brigade. See firefighterbucketbrigade.com for more information.

The NFE is a distributor for Phenix helmets. Why should firefighters purchase their helmets through the NFE?

Yes, you can now purchase Phenix helmets directly from NFE. We have created rescueswag.com as an online, custom shop where you can spec it just how you like it. 100% of the proceeds go back to NFE. Pretty cool eh?

Name a couple of companies you would like to partner with? 

It would be great to collaborate with a reputable PPE/turnout company as well as an SCBA manufacturer. While financial or product donations are great we also look for cause-related partnerships. We believe in mutually beneficial partnerships and we work hard to ensure everyone receives value.

We are also looking for someone willing to donate an RV that will allow us to deliver equipment in person on a coast to coast US tour. I’m sure there is an apparatus company that would be willing to let us roll an RV into their paint booth or even to re-upholster the rig to match the interior of their engines.

Who in the Fire Service would you most like to meet? 

I don’t mean to sound cliché but I would really most like to meet the firefighters who carry the gear we give out. I want to share a meal and get to know the names of their spouses and their kids. I want to hear their stories so I never lose sight of why this work is so important.

20 Questions with Christopher Brennan of Fire Service Warrior

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“20 Questions” is a new segment to FireCritic.com. In it, I will be featuring other fire/EMS bloggers, instructors, writers, and people who intrigue me.

The questions will differ with each “interview” and the answers to the questions will be posted verbatim. If you have someone you would like me to include in this column please let me know in the comments. If you would like to be the subject of “20 Questions” please let me know.

The inagural post of “20 Questions” features Christopher Brennan. Brennan runs “Fire Service Warrior” along with some other great firefighters. I have been intrigued by the site, the following it has created, what FSW stands for, and the movement it has started. I appreciate Chris taking the time to take part in this new column.

Christopher Brennan

1.    How long have you been in the Fire Service?

FSW: In May of 2012 I will begin my 16th year.

2.    What is your current assignment (apparatus, firehouse)?

FSW: I am a career Firefighter and currently hold the tested rank of Engineer.

3.    What departments have you worked for or been a member of?

FSW: I began in 1997 as a Paid-on-Call member and have held part-time and career positions with a variety of departments in the South and West Suburbs of the Chicago area.

4.    Your blog Fire Service Warrior seems to have created a substantial network of like minded firefighters. How do you measure your success?

FSW: I measure success by the feedback we receive.  At FDIC I had a firefighter come up and say “Thank you,” because he partially attributes achieving his fitness goals and losing a substantial amount of weight to the information he has found on our website.  Several times a month we receive an email from a firefighter who shares that the things he has learned or the motivation he has taken from our message has helped him improve. I know most websites base their  concept of success on statistics and analytics, and we check them, too, but the fact remains that for me it is the feedback we get from those who are using the site that makes me feel we are successful.

5.    What are some of your goals for FSW?

FSW: Our goal is to be a resource, an opportunity, and a community for firefighters who are prepared to thrive on the fireground so they can protect the lives and property of their neighbors.  We know full well that responding to building fires is generally not the largest percentage of our duty; however there is no more threatening environment on the planet than the interior of a building that is on fire.  If we can grow our personnel to thrive in the high stress, dynamic, and time compressed world of a building fire then we can prepare them to excel at any other mission we have.  I hope that we can get that message out through well developed articles, videos, and courses.

6.    You have created a community at Fire Service Warrior. The core of that community seems to be fitness and smart aggressive firefighting. Is that a decent synopsis of what you are doing?

FSW: I think your synopsis is the public perception of what we are about.  From our perspective we have three domains that we strive to master and integrate: Mindfulness, Fitness, and Training.  Mindfulness includes our mission, our Ethos, and preparing ourselves emotionally and psychologically to thrive under challenging circumstances.  It’s really the most important piece of the puzzle.  Fitness is making our bodies ready for the very real physical demands of the fireground.  The science on this is pretty well understood now: we have to have the same metabolic capacity as a Navy SEAL or a professional Boxer, and we have to be able to function with the effects of heat stress, sympathetic nervous system responses, and often contend with sleep deprivation.  Fitness is a means of maintaining long term health and wellness and making ourselves more resilient to these stressors over the length of a career.  Training comes down to being able to execute our fundamental fireground skills with a high degree of fluency.  That fluency translates into efficiency on the fireground which in turn increases the capability of the whole fireground team.  The trick is integrating these three domains into the daily experience of your life so that in one way, shape, or form, everything that you do is helping prepare you for that moment when you are called upon to protect your neighbors from the effects of unrestrained fire.

7.    What post(s) on FSW are you most proud of?

FSW: Brian Brush’s post “This is My Ladder” is one of the best training pieces I have ever read. Nate Jamison’s “The Fire Service Warrior Significant Other” touches on a critical component of our lives.  John Shafer’s “An Ounce of Prevention” visits an often neglected aspect of our Ethos.  Gary Lane’s “Stay the Course” is a great motivator.  Those four really ring out in my mind.

8.    You work out most days of the week. Do you have personal goals you are trying to meet? Are you training for any events or competitions?

FSW: Currently my fitness program is geared towards maintenance and preparation. I am not striving to be a competitive athlete; I want to be prepared for the rigors of the fireground.  That being said I do like to find ways of testing my physical capacity to keep myself honest.  So far this year I have participated in the CrossFit Games Open and identified some key weaknesses I want to develop; completed a Firefighter Combat Challenge event at FDIC where I posted a time of 3:22:03 (3 seconds slower than my PR time); and I ran a 5k in 28:28.  I am hoping to compete in another Combat Challenge in Oak Forest this year if my work and travel schedule will allow.

9.    Explain what WOD, GOAT, T-1rm, and some of the other abbreviations mean on your site.

FSW: These are a few of the fitness-related acronyms and abbreviations that become familiar fairly quickly to those who use our resources. WOD stands for  ”Workout Of the Day”; GOAT is our term for working on a fitness skill you have trouble with, 1rm is a one-repetition maximal lift.

10.    If someone were to come to your site and be interested in following/participating in the workouts, what is the best advice for getting started in the FSW workouts?

FSW: Click on the Fitness Tab at the top of the page.  When I rolled the programming out initially in June of 2011 I wrote a pretty extensive piece that gives a lot of advice on how to get started. They key is to START.  You are only going to learn the skills by trying them, and being a student of fitness to make sure you are doing things correctly.

11.    Your book “The Combat Position – Achieving Firefighter Readiness” was published last year. How long did it take to write?

FSW: I was 34 years old when I turned the manuscript in so… 34 years?  Honestly, I would say that it was a five year process in one way or another.  I had the initial idea about trying to develop the Fire Service Warrior Concept in 2005 and started doing a lot of reading, research, making notes, and generally letting things incubate.  In 2007 I wrote the first draft outline and started writing articles.  Several of those were bought by Fire Engineering and appeared on-line and in the magazine. In 2008 I launched the website and used it to try out material I was developing for the book.   In 2009 I pitched the book to PennWell and at FDIC 2010 we signed the deal.  At that point the book was 25% written.   I finished the writing in four and a half months.  The challenge for me isn’t getting the words on paper, it is the time that I need to saturate myself with information and for ideas to incubate. Once the illumination happens, it become mechanics.

12.    Is there another book being written now?

FSW: I think there is. There is a premise that I am working with, a void that I see in the current fire service texts, but I don’t know yet what it will look like when I’m done.  This is sort of like asking a band when their next album is coming out.  They had their entire lives to work on the first 12 good songs and folks want to see the next 12 seven minutes later.  I imagine that whatever the next “book” looks like you will be seeing its gestation on fireservicewarrior.com over the course of the next several months, or maybe years.

13.    You recently held the FSW Fundamentals Seminar. What is it? What do you see this seminar turning into in the future?

FSW: The FSWFundamentals Seminar is the first step in a five step professional education program. Students come out and spend 24 hours over two days being exposed to the core concepts on FSWMindfulness, FSWFitness, and FSWTraining.  They take classes, participate in discussions and tabletop drills, work on functional skills, are exposed to Stress Inoculation Training, do six workouts, and are mentored and coached the whole way through.  The program actually begins 21 days before you show up with a series of preparatory assignments that include readings, reflections, and workouts to get your mind and body ready. Our first class is now into what we consider to be a Guided Learning phase where participants are reading, practicing, and developing their skills.  They exchange ideas in conference calls and share what they are learning.  In the future, we will be rolling out two additional seminars, each of which builds on the previous one.

14.    What are the biggest issues facing firefighters today?

FSW: That’s a very broad question.  If we look at the whole of the North American fire service I will say the state of the economy and the corollary call to “do more with less.”  There are only two ways to do more with less: either develop a technological solution to a problem (like airliner cockpits replacing the Flight Engineer with a computer) or maximize the capacity of the individual in the arena (like the Special Operations Command does).  I don’t see technology reducing our work load in the fire service, if anything it is increasing the physiological demands.  To me that means that we have maximize the capacity of the individual then if we want to be able to effectively and efficiently serve our neighbors while maintaining a relative degree of safety.

15.    What do you think the solution is to the problem of overweight and obese firefighters?

FSW: Overweight and obese firefighters are simply a reflection of an overweight and obese society.  We have a society that doesn’t eat real food anymore.  We consume an absurdly large amount of processed food or items that contain refined sugar.  It’s killing us.  The best solution I can think of is to mandate that ALL firefighters have an annual physical and that for those who will be called upon to work on or in a building fire, that their physical include a cardiac stress test meeting the standards of NFPA 1582.  If your folks cannot pass a physical because of a deficit in fitness or because their blood panel is out of balance because of dietary concerns then you aren’t doing them a favor by ordering them turnout gear with a bigger waist.

16.    Do you diet? If so, give us an example of how you eat to be healthy.

FSW: I try to make good choices and eat real food.  What is real food?  Things that you can hunt or harvest are real food.  Do I make choices that stray from that at times?  Sure.  I’m not going to live a life based on being neurotic about food.  To me the key is this: make your meals “clean” (meat, vegetables, some fruit, a little bit of nuts or seeds, healthy fats) as often as possible; eliminate the refined sugar; eliminate the processed foods; forget what the drive-thru lane looks like; drink water (if you weigh 200lbs you should be drinking 200oz of water a day).  Strive to do this 75% of the time.  The other 25% of the time live like it is your last day on earth and you are at a Bacchanal.  Go out and read “Good Calories, Bad Calories” or “The Paleo Diet”.

17.    In your career thus far, what are you most proud of? 

FSW: Having The Combat Position published.

18.    Name some men or women who you look up to and why.

FSW: I wrote a pretty long piece about this topic called “Who Are Your Heroes?”  Top on my list though is Lt. Michael Murphy, USN, Medal of Honor (Posthumous).  For anyone who knows Lt. Murphy’s story it is one of selfless service, dedication to his men and his mission above himself, and aspiration to the highest of virtues.   The last few years I have done the CrossFit Work Out “Murph” in his honor as close to June 28th (the day of his death) as I can. The workout is a 1 mile run, 100 pull-ups, 200 push-ups, 300 squats, and a 1 mile run.  In the fire service I have always looked up to Bob Hoff (Retired Commissioner Chicago Fire Department and now Deputy Chief Carol Stream FD). Chief Hoff was an Instructor of mine and I lay out my experiences from him in my book.

19.    What will you be doing at FDIC this year? What about other conferences?

FSW: I taught a four hour workshop at FDIC 2012 and I will be submitting to teach FDIC 2013 along with the 2012 Nebraska Society of Fire Service Instructor’s Les Lukert Conference. I do more teaching directly for departments, FOOLS Groups, and the like, than I do present at conferences, but I am always open to coming out and presenting on the topics I love.  I can be reached at info@Spartan-Concepts.com.

20.    Add anything else you might want to add that I didn’t cover?

FSW: I think one of the biggest things that folks in the fire service would benefit from is coming to see our trade as really a multi-disciplinary field.  We have to deal with chemistry, physics, decision making, human behavior, psychology and physiology, boredom and fear in alternating doses, and a host of other dynamics.  We need not have graduate degrees in all these fields, but I think that having a working awareness of them is critical.  That takes looking to what is happening outside the fire service and seeing how we can apply that to what we do.  There are no good studies on skill attrition for firefighters that I am aware of, but studies of physicians and nurses  retaining cognitive and psychomotor skill for ACLS or ATLS can give us a sense of how long you can go without throwing a ladder or pulling a hose line.  The second law of thermodynamics tells us that all closed systems will move to disorder (entropy).  Your mind works the same way.  If you have quit learning,** then your thought process will devolve to disorder over time.